[Oisf-users] threshold.conf with rate_limit or drop rules

Jeff Dyke jeff.dyke at gmail.com
Wed Sep 13 22:45:41 UTC 2017

Thanks Amar.  I could do this in sshd, but those rules are OK by me b/c i
don't allow passwords, nor do i allow root login, you MUST have a valid
key, so the defaults are OK, but you're correct i could reduce them to say
2 (at home, I accidentally ssh'd with the wrong/default key, then let me
pass -i identity.foo for login).  To me writing the iptables rules is the
same as leaving drops in OSSEC b/c it will learn from its sid's and
auth.log and prevent it from happening again, and do so on my time schedule
(currently 4h, 12h, 1d, 1 week).  I'm actually OK leaving them in OSSEC,
but when i get a single ip trying to login and fail over a long period of
time, i'd like to drop them, and my idea was to do so with suricata.

While this is not my question, i'm seeing these as event_type: "ssh", not
event_type: "alert", my desire is to make this learn from repeated failed
attempts that are outside the bounds of the alert sids, that i have tried
to override in threshold.config.  again, not my question, i can open a new

Appreciate the comments, i hope the response points to what i am trying to
accomplish with suricata, which i've really appreciated since taking the
time to learn how to do most of it correctly.   Its the drops and overrides
i continue to struggle with.


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:02 PM, amar countersnipe.com <
amar at countersnipe.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff
> Just an initial thought. Most of the services can be controlled via the
> service daemons. For example ssh login frequency can be controlled via
> sshd_config using
> MaxAuthTries X(number you are happy with) or using MaxStartups
> Alternatively, since you are using iptables, an even better approach would
> be to use iptables with something like:
> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent
> --update --seconds X --hitcount Y --rttl --name SSH -j DROP
> Once you have eliminated the basic problem then you could get Suricata to
> inspect deeper.
> Hope I didn't just miss the requirement in the first place.
> regards
> Amar Rathore
> CounterSnipe - Suricata based IDS/IPS with so much more.
> On September 13, 2017 at 3:57 PM Jeff Dyke <jeff.dyke at gmail.com> wrote:
> I should have stated that i'm successfully attached to NFQUEUE in
> inline/IPS mode.  <Info> - NFQ running in standard ACCEPT/DROP mode.
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Jeff Dyke <jeff.dyke at gmail.com> wrote:
> i am running an array of servers on aws (EC2 instances), one server in
> both the staging and production environments has SSH open and 2 have 443/80
> open (active/passive HAProxy instances)
> I've been using OSSEC with active-response to block malicious ssh attacks,
> and while i like the software and the other things that it finds, I would
> like to move this type of logic to the edge servers, using suricata.  i'll
> concentrate on SSH for now, from there i can apply my knowledge or other
> protocols.
> If i'm understanding correctly (likely not) i could add a rate_filter into
> threshold.conf, or i could add drop rules.  What is the best practice in
> this instance.  I know the threshold.config is getting parsed as i see the
> warning
> [ERRCODE: SC_ERR_EVENT_ENGINE(210)] - signature sid:2019876 has a
> threshold set. The signature event var is given precedence over the
> threshold.conf one. Bug #425.
> I'm running suricata 4.0.0 RELEASE
> Thanks, for any pointers.  If rate_filter is correct, how do i convert it
> to a drop event when threshold is hit?  The docs are great, but i seemed to
> have missed this piece.
> Jeff
> my 4 threshold.config entries.
> rate_filter gen_id 1, sig_id 2019876, track by_rule, count 3, seconds 120,
> new_action drop, timeout 14400
> rate_filter gen_id 1, sig_id 2101638, track by_rule, count 3, seconds 120,
> new_action drop, timeout 14400
> rate_filter gen_id 1, sig_id 2001219, track by_rule, count 3, seconds 120,
> new_action drop, timeout 14400
> rate_filter gen_id 1, sig_id 2006546, track by_rule, count 3, seconds 120,
> new_action drop, timeout 14400
> suppress gen_id 1, sig_id 2221002, track by_src, ip
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